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Reflect · Mar 03, 2011, 06:34 PM // 18:34

Ya, I forgot that AFK titles are such hard and prestigious achievment...

Coast · Mar 03, 2011, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I remember reading through the whole discussion on the wiki. People involved were forced to get rid of these items. Getting both titles took time, during which you volountarily ignored this warning and didn't remove items/characters.
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He got rid of the item since he used the item= he got rid of it meaning he didn't do anything illegal.

Silence in Death · Mar 03, 2011, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I am one of those players who has a character death leveling already. My lvl 17 monk is sitting in Pre right now waiting for the update.

I have to say that I am not at all upset with the update. Yes, it does suck that I spent quite some hours death leveling to this point. That said, I think these new quests, even if I have to do them 100 times each to get to lvl 20, will be much more FUN than death leveling. Part of the problem I had was that while I was doing it, I couldn't play the game. Now, I can play the game and earn the title.

There is no doubt that the motivation behind titles has changed since the HoM rewards reveal and that's fine. Anet is using GW2 as a way to bring players back to GW1 and I don't have a problem with that. To accomplish that goal, they are changing a title that was originally an oddity into something significantly more practical.

Urcscumug · Mar 03, 2011, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

I expect any 18 who still retains their sanity after dozens of DL sessions to be like "Thank You Sweet LORD" when they hear they can get LDoA doing quests. Why do you think they used to recommend to save all your quests until you're 19?

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d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone
e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

Dunno how you came up with this but it's wrong. Titles are not accessible to everyone, in fact many of them have certain conditions attached. And comparing your title to other people is not what gives it value; it's what you had to do to get it.

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Originally Posted by psycore

LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.

I actually question the decision to make it a title in the first place. They were basically rewarding all the wrong things. It should not have been a title (regardless of the fact it was possible to make 20), or it should have been named something different.

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Originally Posted by drkn

IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.

IMHO nobody who finds a bug in a game should be punished for it. It's the fault of the programmer who introduced the bug (and I speak as having been in the shoes of one of those programmers). If that's how the game works, I don't see how it's the players fault for playing the game.

Fix the bug, revert the changes if they give unfair advantages and if it's feasible, and move on. Why ban a player when you allowed them to do that in the first place? Nobody can give a rigurous definition of what's "wrong" and what's "right" in a game. Something is either possible or not, and if it is, it's because the designers put it there. Banning bug exploiters is just blaming your own oversight on others.

hay2wiiire · Mar 03, 2011, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Yes......because being afk for hours was sooo painfinful.

sry, epic fail

Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2011, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Coast

He got rid of the item since he used the item= he got rid of it meaning he didn't do anything illegal.

People who took part to the bug exploitation were invited to leave the Pre-Searing in that case to rectify the situation.

Likely he did not and benefited from the illegit item to get two titles instead of just one.

Eragon Zarroc · Mar 03, 2011, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

this is bull and is what leads to games not being fun for everyone.

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by Urcscumug

Fix the bug, revert the changes if they give unfair advantages and if it's feasible, and move on. Why ban a player when you allowed them to do that in the first place? Nobody can give a rigurous definition of what's "wrong" and what's "right" in a game. Something is either possible or not, and if it is, it's because the designers put it there. Banning bug exploiters is just blaming your own oversight on others.

Well, the initial glitch wasn't as much as an exploit. It did involve 3rd party programs, but that was something noone knew.

The reason I've always fought for my innocence was that Anet specifically said glitched items (In Pre-Searing) were OK to use given the fact that the first batch of items was gotten through a completely legal way (Simply map travelling

). Items were getting traded daily by douzens in-game and on the forums, which Gaile overlooked herself in person, and were allowed.

So when these tomes arrived, the "current" policy was that glitch items were legal (How the hell is the intire community supposed to know where these items came from), so people traded them in masses.

Then 2 weeks after the release of these items (With still no public word on how they got there in the first place, aswell as thousands of trades having already happened) Gaile releases an official post in which she explicitally stated noone will get banned for trading these items, only moved to Post-Searing. By then, I was already on a good way to LS and LDoA, so I just decided to finish this project, which took no more than a couple of days after that post.

At this very moment, I still know several people who have tomes and other glitched items in Pre-Searing, some of which NCSoft is aware off, but for some reason don't do anything about it.

So then, 2 years later I get banned out of the blue for "hacking" Guild Wars, something I didn't do, with the base, the foundation, the very reasoning:"You can not have both titles" . That alone was already a flawed reason because you could, in fact, get both titles.

And now to see that they're going to make both titles available to everyone, the flawed reason that got me banned in the first place, I'm sorry but that's litteraly NCSoft taking a fukcing piss in my face.

thedukesd · Mar 03, 2011, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Let's move the discusion about that ban in real life.
Asuming 2 years ago in a country there was a law that was sentence anyone for doing something to 10 years of jail, now after 2 years that law has been abrogated or just changed. Should the ones convicted based on that law released or not (2 cases here the law was abrogated, the law was only changed)?

Mireles · Mar 03, 2011, 09:04 PM // 21:04

Lol, i don't see how people can argue that this makes LoDA easier when we haven't even seen the exp possibility from those quests... It was necessary to add a playable route to achieve this title, servers are not always stable enough to keep you connected 8 hours without attention to death level 500 exp... nor are peoples internet connection.... These daily quests offer a playable route to accomplish this title which is a whole lot more interactive then leaving your comp on over night..... i don't see how people can complain about this.... this will breath new life into the playability of "pre" since you can now have both survivor and LoDA.. theoretically

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by thedukesd

Let's move the discusion about that ban in real life.
Asuming 2 years ago in a country there was a law that was sentence anyone for doing something to 10 years of jail, now after 2 years that law has been abrogated or just changed. Should the ones convicted based on that law released or not (2 cases here the law was abrogated, the law was only changed)?

I could say exactly the same thing about me buying the tome in the first place. When I bought the tome, buying and selling these items was completely legal. (Not even borderline)

It was only after 2 weeks the policy changed into "moving people to Post-Searing".

And then I got banned...

So clearly, NCSoft went by the reasoning of: "Whatever policy is currently valid is the one any violations (including ones that happened before the policy change) get treated by accordingly.".

So going by that reasoning, since it's legal to have both titles now, and it's still no banable offence to have bought tomes in Pre-Searing (I can link to Gaile's post if you want to), I didn't break any rules according to current standings. I never broken any rules according to previous policies (as LS + LDoA was never a violation) and I most definatly never hacked the game.

There is no grounds on keeping me banned, aside from the "Were NCSoft and we can do whatever we want", and that's the card they've been playing out for the past 2 and a half year against me. Well, if this update comes to be true, I will be extremely offended for reasons explained in this post.

inscribed · Mar 03, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

all title should be attainable by any character at any time, as long as the player is willing to put in the work!

Davros Uitar · Mar 03, 2011, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Well it seems to me you did something that was wrong and you stayed in pre to abuse it because there was a lure there - to be original - to do what no-one had done before - to beat the system and glorify yourself.

Seems to me there should be more "takin some blimmin responsibility for you actions" instead of so much "QQ me why me why me".

As to changes to LDOA - I may go finish off my monk and get this now. Will certainly go see what the new quest chains are like

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Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2011, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

I could say exactly the same thing about me buying the tome in the first place. When I bought the tome, buying and selling these items was completely legal. (Not even borderline).

How is purchasing items obtained through bug exploitation and VOLOUNTARILY ignoring warning about use of these item "not even borderline illegal"?!

You were given a chance: buying them isn't illegal per se, but people were asked to remove the anomalies following the bug exploitation. You ignored this. You got banned.

Pinkest One · Mar 03, 2011, 09:30 PM // 21:30

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Originally Posted by Hobbs

The title came a long time after the first person made it to level 20.

Wish i could remember this persons character name, i posted a thread about it on GameAmp back in the day.
I helped him(some) hit level 20.
Maybe Chrisworld will recall the thread/character?

Edit: I remember it now! It was God Anti Powers!

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 09:31 PM // 21:31

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

How is purchasing items obtained through bug exploitation and VOLOUNTARILY ignoring warning about use of these item "not even borderline illegal"?!

You were given a chance: buying them isn't illegal per se, but people were asked to remove the anomalies following the bug exploitation. You ignored this. You got banned.

Cuz there was a huge fuzz around GH items in PreSearing. Then Anet stepped in and said: "You will not get banned for buying and selling these items."

If we can't even take Anet for their word, then what the hell are we supposed to do?

Again, you're one of those people that believe that anyone who gets traded duped items (even if they don't know they're duped) should get banned, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I only posted here as a general outlet. No reason to keep on your crusade of trying to get everyone who ever got slightly involved with exploiting (knowingly or unknowngly) banned.

BadgerznPie · Mar 03, 2011, 09:34 PM // 21:34

LDoA is so mainstream now. I was listening to them WAY before everyone else.

*lemming* · Mar 03, 2011, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I think you've all had your say about Borat's ban now. Get back on topic.

MArcSinus · Mar 04, 2011, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Great, they completely devalued my precious LDoA title and made GWAMM even easier, horrible ANet, horrible...

hardened hump · Mar 04, 2011, 03:38 AM // 03:38

they should have given people who completed the title before the update "Legendary Martyr (or Sadomasochist) of Ascalon" and made it mutually exclusive in hom with the new post update title correctly named "Defender" of Ascalon. Of course, people who were close to but did not get the title before the update would still complain but oh well